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03-18-2016, 11:02 PM
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"Fair Rental Days" or "Personal Use Days"

On Form 1040, Schedule E, we have to divide 365 days in the year into "Fair Rental Days" and "Personal Use Days".

My scenario:

A tenant moved into my house on 1/1/2015.
He paid rent for the months of January, February, and March.
Starting in April, he refused to pay rent.
The eviction case ran it course from 4/1/2015 to 7/1/2015.
From 4/1/2015 to 7/1/2015, he continued to live in my house, but never paid any rent.
He was evicted on 7/1/2015.

Do April, May and June count as "Fair Rental Days" or "Personal Use Days"?

Schedule E instruction

https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/i1040se.pdf

page 5, middle column, 2nd paragraph says:

"A day of personal use is any day, or part of a day, that the unit was used by:
.....
Anyone who pays less than a fair rental price for the unit"

A fair rental price is \$2000/month specified in the rental contract. If he paid \$0/month, does that mean "he paid less than a fair rental price"?

I think the answer is absolutely "yes". \$0 is less than \$2000.

If the answer is "yes", then according the above statement by IRS, are April, May and June "Personal Use" days?

Last edited by sunnysea101ca : 03-18-2016 at 11:08 PM. Reason: typo

03-19-2016, 02:20 PM
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A tenant moved into my house on 1/1/2015.
He paid rent for the months of January, February, and March.
Starting in April, he refused to pay rent.
The eviction case ran it course from 4/1/2015 to 7/1/2015.
From 4/1/2015 to 7/1/2015, he continued to live in my house, but never paid any rent.
He was evicted on 7/1/2015.

Do April, May and June count as "Fair Rental Days" or "Personal Use Days"?==========>>>fair rental days; it was still available for rent all those months even if it was not generating rental income. Rental Property that is 100% rental, and is occupieid but not generating rental income is considered as in use.

Schedule E instruction

https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/i1040se.pdf

page 5, middle column, 2nd paragraph says:

"A day of personal use is any day, or part of a day, that the unit was used by:
.....
Anyone who pays less than a fair rental price for the unit"

A fair rental price is \$2000/month specified in the rental contract. If he paid \$0/month, does that mean "he paid less than a fair rental price"?

I think the answer is absolutely "yes". \$0 is less than \$2000.If the answer is "yes", then according the above statement by IRS, are April, May and June "Personal Use" days?==>.No as said above; you IENTIOALLY did NOT rent at less than Fair Market Value of \$2K/ month. If so, these are personal use days. The rent received counts as income but the expenses don?t qualify as deductions;since you hold property for rental purposes, you are be able to deduct your ordinary / necessary expenses including depreciation for managing, conserving, or maintaining the property even while the property is vacant even if you did not get paid.

Note; aslongas you are a cash basis TP, then, You can't claim unpaid rent on your rent;. Rental income not received is not a deductible expense for a cash basis taxpayer.however,If you are an accrual method, report income
when you earn it. I mean If you are unable to collect the rent, you may be able to deduct it as a business

03-19-2016, 04:57 PM
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"Fair Rental Days" or "Personal Use Days"

Quote:
 Originally Posted by Wnhough As a landlord, you can write off unpaid rental debt. A write-off, also called a charge-off, meaning you declare a debt as a loss on your taxes.

Which form is for writing off unpaid rental debt?

And writing off the unpaid rent does not mean that I give up the right to collect it in the future, correct?

03-19-2016, 06:16 PM
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Quote:
 Originally Posted by sunnysea101ca Thank you for the reply. Which form is for writing off unpaid rental debt? And writing off the unpaid rent does not mean that I give up the right to collect it in the future, correct?
Which form is for writing off unpaid rental debt?====>>as said,
If you did not report the income in prior years, then you cannot take the deduction on Schedule E. You are considered a cash basis taxpayer

And writing off the unpaid rent does not mean that I give up the right to collect it in the future, correct?==>>No once you write it off on your return then you need to report the rental income thatyou?d collect in the future on your return.

03-19-2016, 06:36 PM
 Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Posts: 6
"Fair Rental Days" or "Personal Use Days"

Quote:
 Originally Posted by Wnhough Which form is for writing off unpaid rental debt?====>>as said,
Sorry I did not say it clearly enough.

I meant: What is the name and the number of the IRS form that I can use to write off unpaid rental debt?

For example: Form 1040, Form 1040 Schedule E, etc.

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