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Old 03-10-2015, 09:47 PM
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Sale of Family Farm

Abbreviated summary:
Family Farm occupied by inlaws for 25 years
Father in Law passes in 2011; farm and land re-deeded to mother-in-law and 3 adult children
Family farm remodeled in summer 2014 for upcoming sale - $26,000
Family farm sells Nov 2014 - Home $150,000; land $175,000
Two investment accounts set up, both in the 3 adult childrens names
1st account housed a majority of mother-in-laws net from proceeds, with the goal of becoming sole possession of children after 5 years (income shelter for mother-in-law)
2nd account in 3 adult childrens names was there income from the sale
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Taxes - 2014?
Capital Gains for anyone?
Thanks



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Old 03-14-2015, 05:28 PM
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Abbreviated summary:
Family Farm occupied by inlaws for 25 years
Father in Law passes in 2011; farm and land re-deeded to mother-in-law and 3 adult children
Family farm remodeled in summer 2014 for upcoming sale - $26,000
Family farm sells Nov 2014 - Home $150,000; land $175,000
Two investment accounts set up, both in the 3 adult childrens names
1st account housed a majority of mother-in-laws net from proceeds, with the goal of becoming sole possession of children after 5 years (income shelter for mother-in-law)
2nd account in 3 adult childrens names was there income from the sale
++++++++
Taxes - 2014?
Capital Gains for anyone?
Thanks
in general, most inherited property does not result in a hit from the IRS.The IRS doesn't impose a tax on most inherited property. However, after you become the owner of a given asset, you are responsible for paying tax on the income it earns. For example, if you inherit rental property, you must include the payments you receive from tenants in your taxable income. Likewise, if you sell inherited property and earn a profit, you may owe capital or ordinary gains tax, depending on the type of asset and the nature of the sale. ( ALSO if the property earned income , in your case if those accounts earned taxable income while the decedent was alive, you may owe tax on the amount you receive after his death). You must also pay income tax on any amount you earn after the assets are legally yours; both your MIL and inlaws need to pay taxes on taxable income generated from the accts.



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Old 03-24-2015, 10:56 PM
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in general, most inherited property does not result in a hit from the IRS.The IRS doesn't impose a tax on most inherited property. However, after you become the owner of a given asset, you are responsible for paying tax on the income it earns. For example, if you inherit rental property, you must include the payments you receive from tenants in your taxable income. Likewise, if you sell inherited property and earn a profit, you may owe capital or ordinary gains tax, depending on the type of asset and the nature of the sale. ( ALSO if the property earned income , in your case if those accounts earned taxable income while the decedent was alive, you may owe tax on the amount you receive after his death). You must also pay income tax on any amount you earn after the assets are legally yours; both your MIL and inlaws need to pay taxes on taxable income generated from the accts.
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Family Farm occupied by inlaws for 25 years

Father-in- Law passes in 2011; farm and land (70 acres) re-deeded to mother-in-law and 3 adult children via Life Estate. This was executed based on advice from retirement planning attorney.

Mother-in-law continues to live in house.

Family farm home remodeled in summer 2014 for upcoming sale - $46,000

Family farm home sells in Feb 2014 for $155,000 (home plus 2 acres)
Land (70 acres) sells in Aug 2014 for $175,000

Based on lawyer advice, two investment accounts were created:

One, in theory, representing my mother-in-laws portion of the sale, and the other containing the siblings portion (3 siblings in one account)

The breakdown was based on Life Estate Mortality Table – Mother-in-law 43.6% / siblings 56.4%

The mother-in-laws invest account was actually taken out in the 3 siblings names – the premise being: if m-i-law became incompacitated in the future (beyond 5-year look back window established by Medicaid for existing assets) that those monies would be seen as those of the children.

If incompacitated before 5-year window, this account would be seen as m-i-laws assets. This portion would be considered “gifted” to children at $28,000 per couple ($14,00 husband/$14,000 wife) total of $84,000

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Can I include the home and land together, for my m-i-laws portion, 175k+155k *43.6% = 231k – improvemens of 46k – 185k, and report together as home. M-i-law is allowed 250k exemption from capital gains if living in home or

Would I have to separate home = 155k and exempt all of this and she pay gains on the land (if any)

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Can all gains from both investment accounts be divided by (3) siblings and be recorded on their taxes, or will gains from “m-i-laws” account have be reported on her tax return?

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Does the “gifting” monies have to be reported to the IRS? Form 709?



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Old 03-24-2015, 11:57 PM
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Family Farm occupied by in-laws for 25 years

Father-in- Law passes in 2011; farm and land (70 acres) re-deeded to mother-in-law and 3 adult children via Life Estate. This was executed based on advice from retirement planning lawyer.

Mother-in-law continues to live in house.

Family farm home remodeled in summer 2014 for upcoming sale - $46,000

Family farm home sells in Feb 2014 for $155,000 (home plus 2 acres)
Land (70 acres) sells in Aug 2014 for $175,000

Based on lawyer advice, two investment accounts were created:
One, in theory, representing my mother-in-laws portion of the sale, and the other containing the sibling’s portion (3 siblings in one account)

The breakdown was based on Life Estate Mortality Table – Mother-in-law 43.6% / siblings 56.4%

The mother-in-laws invest account was actually taken out in the 3 siblings names – the premise being: if m-i-law became incapacitated in the future (beyond 5-year look back window established by Medicaid for existing assets) that those monies would be seen as those of the children by Medicaid. If incapacitated before 5-year window, this account would be seen as m-i-laws assets. This portion would be considered “gifted” to children at $28,000 per couple ($14,00 husband/$14,000 wife) total of $84,000
++++++++++++++++++++
Can I include the home and land together, for my m-i-laws portion, 175k+155k *43.6% = 231k – improvements of 46k – 185k, and report together as home. M-i-law is allowed 250k exemption from capital gains if living in home or

Would I have to separate home = 155k and exempt all of this and she pay gains on the land (if any)
++++++++++++++++++++
Can all gains from both investment accounts be divided by (3) siblings and be recorded on their taxes, or will gains from “m-i-laws” account have be reported on her tax return?
++++++++++++++++++++
Does the “gifting” monies have to be reported to the IRS? Form 709?



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